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Bowe vs. Thomas: Fans Square Off



Dwayne Bowe or Demaryius Thomas? Time to settle this once and for all.
The eternal struggle continues. "My team's guy is better than your team's guy."

Every one of us has been in this debate with a rival's fan, probably dozens (if not hundreds) of times. It's time for someone to settle them all once and for all (because that's what happens with debates, right?). My esteemed colleague Lucas Polglaze has agreed to enter Thunderdome with me as we fight for the guys wearing the color of laundry we favor. We argued about Champ Bailey and Brandon Flowers. We debated Von Miller vs. Justin Houston. Now it's time to turn our attention to the playmakers. No, I'm not talking about Jamaal Charles vs. Montee Ball. That would be insane (although very fun for Chiefs' fans to read, but oh well). Nope, it's the clash of fan favorites. Dwayne Bowe vs. Demaryius Thomas. Two PFS writers enter. One leaves alive. DT vs. Bowe Show. It's on.

Seth

Luc... C'mon. I mean... c'mon, man. We're really doing this? Bowe vs. Thomas? Six years of consistent production against a one-hit wonder? Sure, Demaryius Thomas is tall and had a great season last year. Of course, there was a time those same things could be said about lots of receivers. Bowe has been putting in work for over half a decade, with shockingly consistent production. He had one kinda/sorta rough patch with Todd Haley in 2009 (in his defense, Todd Haley is Todd Haley, so there's that), but other than that has been a guaranteed thousand yards and 6 TDs per season.

The only receiver in the league who can MAYBE claim to match Bowe's power after the catch is Brandon Marshall. He runs good routes. He can make the most incredible catches you've ever seen. He's shown up and shown out against the best corners in the game (look back to the 2011 closer if you need a reminder). When he's in the zone, it absolutely does not matter who is covering him. Year in and year out, he shows up and balls.

And he's done all this with Damon Huard, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Thigpen, Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko,Brady Quinn, and Brodie Croyle throwing him the ball. Come on... can I just drop the mic and walk off now?

Lucas

If you want to drop the mic, you're going to miss out big time.

Bowe is a great player. But he can't compare to the potential of Demaryius Thomas.

DT...Bey Bey...OpThomas Prime...whatever you want to call him, the guy can ball. He is physical, a mismatch for corners. He has speed and a big frame. He can block and he can catch. Yeah, did I mention he can catch? Look at these hands:
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I mean, come on. You call that a one hit wonder? That is a phenomenal play, just one of many that DT made last year.

He is a complete reciever, the kind of players that elite quarterbacks just dream about having. The difference is, for Peyton Manning, he is there.

Last year, a one-hit wonder? Come on. That was his first full season healthy (Josh McDaniels had him doing kickoff returns. Come on. That is not what you want to do with your stud receiver). Yes, Peyton Manning was throwing him passes, which helped him en route to a 94 catch, 1434 yard, 10 TD season. But he is still a great receiver.

Damon Huard? Brodie Croyle? Tyler Thigpen? Matt Cassel? Tyler Palko? Brady Quinn?

Two words: Tim Tebow.

Let's go back to 2011, when Tebow was throwing him balls. Most would agree that Tim Tebow is somewhat less than an NFL QB at this point. His throwing motion is bad and his passes just don't go so well.

In that year, DT wasn't healthy to start the year, didn't play until Week 6 and dealt with nagging injuries for a few weeks more.

However, the last 7 games of that year (with TEBOW throwing him the ball) were outstanding.
35 catches, 745 yards. More than 100 yards a game. Tell me that isn't impressive.


Seth

I'm glad you brought up Tebow. But we'll get to that in a moment.

Yes, that's a really pretty gif. I could throw one up of Tony Moeaki making an even better catch. Doesn't make him better than Tony Gonzalez. One spectacular catch doth not a great receiver make. Crap, Jonathan Baldwin has made amazing catches (against you guys, in fact. Here ya go. Memories, right?). So don't try the whole, "I'll show a flashy picture and distract everyone" tactic. That only works in politics.

Like I said, I'm glad you brought up Tebow. Wow, look at those amazing stats you posted. That's very, very impressive. But wait... when I look at Thomas's stats from that year on ESPN, he didn't only play in 7 games. He played 13 (11 in the regular season). Well, why wouldn't you bring up those other 6 games? Hmm... Uh, oh.

It's because in those 6 games, Thomas caught a combined 7 passes for 103 yards. In 6 games. Good Lord, that's awful. So I guess since you're going to cherry pick one half of the season, I'll cherry pick the other half to show he's AWFUL. Of course, I'm not going to do that. But to try and leave out the inconvenient fact that in 11 regular season games Thomas put up 32 catches for 551 yards is just misleading. He had a subpar year that got overshadowed by one massive playoff game.

Seriously, these are Thomas's regular season stats his first two years in the league.

2010- 22 catches, 283 yards, 2 TDs.
2011- 32 catches, 551 yards, 4 TDs.

Bowe's stats his first two years?

70 catches, 995 yards, 5 TDs
86 catches, 1,022 yards, 7 TDs.

It's not even kinda, sorta close. Bowe was MASSIVELY better than Thomas their first two respective years, and no amount of stat massaging ("hey, let's only look at DT's good games in 2011 so we can pretend he was awesome with Tebow") can change that. DT was an average WR statistically with one gigantic game before Manning walked into town. What's Thomas's excuse for 2010? That he had Kyle Orton throwing him the ball? I'd take Orton over literally ever QB Bowe has ever had, and Bowe still got it done.

Speaking of 2011, I notice that Thomas only had 11 regular season games, missing the rest due to injury. Oddly enough, he missed 6 games his rookie year as well. In fact, 2012 was the first year he's played a full year. He's missed more games due to injury in just 3 years than Bowe has in 6. The most important ability is availability, and Bowe is a rock when it comes to health. Thomas has had one healthy year.

Bowe- Gets it done all season regardless of who throws him the ball.

Thomas- Needs Manning to do better than average over the course of a season.

Bowe- Is consistently healthy

Thomas- Been healthy all year once in three years.

Bowe- Has been doubled constantly ever since Tony G left KC.

Thomas- had the benefit (in his one great year) of having a QB who doesn't let teams double effectively, as well as a better #2 receiver than Bowe has ever had.

Advantage team? Goes to Thomas. But as an individual receiver? I'll the the guy who doesn't need so much support to produce. How can you talk me into taking the more brittle, less consistent player?


Lucas

Well I only show you that picture to demonstrate that Demaryius Thomas is capable of making great catches. I could have shown you this one:
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With Demaryius, it isn't one great gif. It's multiple ones.

Yes, Thomas had injuries those years. Want to have a look at his injury history those years? Here: http://www.kffl.com/...emaryius-thomas

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Year Week NFL Team Injury Status Injury 2010 1 Denver Broncos Questionable foot 2010 2 Denver Broncos Probable foot 2010 6 Denver Broncos Questionable concussion 2010 12 Denver Broncos Out ankle 2010 13 Denver Broncos Out ankle 2010 14 Denver Broncos Out ankle 2010 15 Denver Broncos Out ankle 2010 16 Denver Broncos Questionable ankle 2010 17 Denver Broncos Probable ankle 2011 1 Denver Broncos Out Achilles' 2011 2 Denver Broncos Out finger 2011 3 Denver Broncos Out finger 2011 4 Denver Broncos Out finger 2011 5 Denver Broncos Out finger 2011 7 Denver Broncos Probable finger


It's not pretty.

Yes, he struggled with injuries. But that's where your fallacy comes in. The fact is, without injuries, Demaryius is the better receiver by a mile. Last year, he had the third best season by a WR of the past five years, according to PFF; and the second best performance last year. And all this despite having a phenomenal group of WRs to draw targets around him. He had Eric Decker, Brandon Stokley, Jacob Tamme and Joel Dreessen all catching balls around him and yet he had a great season.
He's also one of the league leaders in defensive pass interferences drawn.

The problem with Dwayne Bowe is he has a bit of the dropsies. He dropped 11.56% of his balls just a few years back. That's one in every nine passes. Ouch.


Seth

Heh, funny you'd bring up drops, seeing as Thomas had 12 last year and Bowe only had 6. And before you start doing the math, no, Thomas wasn't targeted twice as much as Bowe. He just dropped passes at a higher rate than Bowe did (Bowe's drop rate was actually below 6% last year). This is why it's always a good idea to vet stats before citing them, Lucas!

Basically, your reasons for picking Thomas are drops (even though Thomas dropped passes more than Bowe last year) and the fact that "when healthy" he's a better receiver (a subjective opinion depending on an outside factor working out)? Well hey, when Darren McFadden is healthy he's a top 5 back. Doesn't mean I'd take him before about 15 other RBs in the NFL, though. Health matters.

And again, you're relying on a single year with Peyton Manning throwing him the football to prove that Thomas is "elite." This is the same quarterback who made people think Austin Collie would have a great pro career. When Thomas has had normal (or terrible) quarterbacks throwing him the ball, he's been mediocre to average. When Bowe has had terrible quarterbacks throwing him the ball, he's put up thousand yard seasons.

It's not close. Thomas needs an elite QB and no pressure to be elite. Bowe caught 16 touchdowns as the only viable receiving threat with Matt Cassel throwing him the ball. In a single year Bowe dwarfed Thomas's entire career prior to Manning.

Thomas is a very good receiver. But the comparison to Megatron (who, like Bowe and unlike Thomas, has put up good numbers with inferior QBs) is just silly. Guys like Megatron, Bowe, Fitz, AJ... they've all gotten it done regardless of the surrounding circumstances. Thomas has never, ever, ever, ever had a good season with anyone but an all-time great throwing him the ball. It's Bowe. It's always been Bowe.

I'll let you get the last word (at least before I slip an argument into my closing, because I'll cheat to win). One more time... why am I taking the more injury-prone player who couldn't crack 600 yards in a season before Peyton Manning saved him?


Lucas

Did I ever say DT didn't suffer from drops? Bowe just has a much worse problem with it.

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When Thomas has had normal (or terrible) quarterbacks throwing him the ball, he's been mediocre to average.


Here's where I disagree. When Thomas has been healthy and had normal (or terrible) quarterbacks throwing him the ball, he's been great.

Thomas doesn't need elite to be elite. He's there when he's healthy. And he's there even when he's got an elite corps of WRs around him sucking the plays away. When you're Bowe, you're the only target there is. Who else is Cassel going to throw to? Bowe is Cassel's bodyguard, his safety blanket and his teddy bear. Megatron is the best receiver no doubt, but he has nobody around him. He is the best - but his numbers wouldn't look nearly as good with an Eric Decker or Brandon Stokley across from him. They'll suck away some of those passes he'll get.

Why take DT? Because he is a kid who fights and always gives his all. His grandmother and mother trafficked cocaine. Both are in prison right now. He barely made it into the first round after breaking a bone in his foot. He has dealt with incredible adversity. And yet this is a guy who's 6'3", 222 and runs a 4.38 40. He can block (he was part of a triple option offense at Georgia Tech). He can catch (see above). He's a complete package. He's humble.

Plus, he says only winners get wings.
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Who's holding the plate of wings? I rest my case.


Seth
The wings do make a compelling argument. However, this

Did I ever say DT didn't suffer from drops? Bowe just has a much worse problem with it.


Is just not true. Thomas had his best year last year, and he dropped passes at a higher rate than Bowe did. Bowe had a 5.6% drop rate last year. Thomas had an 8.3% drop rate. So... uh... whatcha talking about, Willis? Because it sure looks to me like Thomas had the bigger number in his absolute best year. So that's just crazy talk.

So you're saying when Thomas has been healthy and had normal QBs throwing the ball, he's been great. So then... was he injured literally his entire rookie year? Because he was a giant ball of "meh." And he must've been injured for the vast majority of 2011, too. So I'm supposed to want the guy who's been hurt for over half his career?

I must admit, it's not a rare argument to hear that somehow Bowe being surrounded by garbage helped him. But let's examine that. Did Bowe REALLY get more chances than Thomas? Thomas had 8.53 "targets" per game last year. Bowe had 8.23. Again, the stats don't back up your assertion. Thomas got just as many targets as Bowe, and HIS targets came without defenses focusing all their efforts on him and an all-universe QB targeting him. Bowe's situation was much, much tougher to produce in. But he still produced.

You make a great argument for Thomas. He's got the goods, for sure. He's a very good WR. But nothing you've said has shown me that Thomas can get it done consistently (outside of one freak playoff game. Even Tebow had one great playoff game. Coincidentally, the same one) without Manning and company backing him up.

I'm taking the guy who produces all day, every day, no excuses.

Thanks so much for your time and arguments Lucas. As always, you are the man and I hope to one day talk you into cheering for the good guys. I look forward to our next clash.
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Seth Keysor
Aug 23 2013 01:24 PM

Man, I need to learn to make gifs.  Lucas is going to sway the masses with the pretty pictures.

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Chad Jensen
Aug 23 2013 02:34 PM

I don't believe in coincidences. 2012 was the first year that DT was completely healthy for an entire season in his young career. He put up elite stats. Does having Manning throwing him the ball help to pad his stats? Absolutely. Just like Brady pads Gronk's, or Rodgers padded Jennings', or.....you get the picture. This is a somewhat odd comparison, only because Thomas has only been in the league for 3 years and 1 full season under his belt. Bowe's been around a while now. Bowe is a solid possession receiver. He's a good rout runner. But he's not gonna dictate coverage. He's not gonna command double teams on the reg. Thomas on the other hand, does. 

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Lucas Polglaze
Aug 23 2013 02:53 PM
I hope to one day talk you into cheering for the good guys.

 

 

Oh don't worry, I already do.

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Kenny Cember
Aug 23 2013 03:11 PM
This whole thing is phenomenal. Sadly right now I don't have time to write a good argument. My brief take. Both guys are great athletes and great receivers. I think Thomas has a bit of a speed edge but there's almost no one in the league better after the catch than DBowe. Also the point of Bowe's consistency WITH bad QBs while Thomas was spoiled this past year with one of the greatest ever. Thomas will put up numbers again because of another receiver drawing defenders away in Wes Welker. Conclusion: both guys are great I'd take either on my team (Thomas in the long run cause he's younger) but right now as individuals I'm taking Bowe no contest.
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Seth Keysor
Aug 23 2013 05:05 PM

I don't believe in coincidences. 2012 was the first year that DT was completely healthy for an entire season in his young career. He put up elite stats. Does having Manning throwing him the ball help to pad his stats? Absolutely. Just like Brady pads Gronk's, or Rodgers padded Jennings', or.....you get the picture. This is a somewhat odd comparison, only because Thomas has only been in the league for 3 years and 1 full season under his belt. Bowe's been around a while now. Bowe is a solid possession receiver. He's a good rout runner. But he's not gonna dictate coverage. He's not gonna command double teams on the reg. Thomas on the other hand, does. 

 

So in other words, Thomas can't stay healthy? ;)

And take it from someone who has watched every Chiefs game over the last half dozen years and reviewed every one of last year's games in all-22 film... Bowe absolutely DOES dictate coverage and absolutely DOES command double teams on the reg.  So your last argument is completely wrong (still love you though, Chad) 

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Evan Massey
Aug 23 2013 08:09 PM

Great read guys, love these pieces. My vote would have to go to Bowe as well, but I'm a huge fan of Thomas. He needs to improve his drop rate, but within the next 2-3 years of the same kind of consistent production he could vault above Bowe. Right now though, I have to go with the guy who's been more consistent over the longer period of time.

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William Watts
Aug 24 2013 12:28 AM

Great read guys, love these pieces. My vote would have to go to Bowe as well, but I'm a huge fan of Thomas. He needs to improve his drop rate, but within the next 2-3 years of the same kind of consistent production he could vault above Bowe. Right now though, I have to go with the guy who's been more consistent over the longer period of time.


Wise choice.

Dwyane Bowe is due for a huge season. Thomas is full of potential, but Bowe is veteran that finally has a legitimate Qb throwing him the ball.

It's no contest.
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Seth Keysor
Aug 24 2013 01:12 AM

I have not, in two years of Chiefs writing, gotten hammered so hard by a fanbase as I've been over the last 12 hours.  Naturally, I Tweeted the article again :)

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William Watts
Aug 24 2013 02:04 AM

I have not, in two years of Chiefs writing, gotten hammered so hard by a fanbase as I've been over the last 12 hours. Naturally, I Tweeted the article again :)


Well played
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Lucas Polglaze
Aug 24 2013 02:33 AM

I have not, in two years of Chiefs writing, gotten hammered so hard by a fanbase as I've been over the last 12 hours.  Naturally, I Tweeted the article again :)

 

 

Wise choice.

Dwyane Bowe is due for a huge season. Thomas is full of potential, but Bowe is veteran that finally has a legitimate Qb throwing him the ball.

It's no contest.

 

 

You know, it's really a bummer when the Chiefs fans outnumber and are more vocal than the Broncos fans on the forum.

 

So I would like to have my man Rodney Adams contribute a guest opinion of sorts. It's on Mile High Report, check it out here: http://www.milehighr...23-13#180022815 I fully agree with and endorse his reply here.

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Seth Keysor
Aug 24 2013 04:59 AM

Good ol' Rodney.  It's a solid try. 

But first of all, the Harrison comparison is flawed, since Harrison had a pair of good seasons prior to Manning.  Additionally, Harrison did well with Manning before he was PFM.  Also, Harrison did this for YEARS, no just 1 year.  Finally, he's assuming I DON'T think Harrison is overrated.  Which I do. 

The "trend vs. cherrypicking" argument is good.  Thomas really only had one bad game in that span.  Of course, one counter would be that Tebow was literally only capable of one throw; the deep ball.  Which made Thomas his only viable receiver.

 

And as far as that 7 game stretch being better than anything Bowe's ever done, that's just not true. 

 

Thomas- 35 catches on 64 targets (54.7% catch percentage), 745 yards, 4 TDs, 5 drops.

 

Bowe- 49 catches on 74 targets (66.2% catch percentage), 733 yards, 13 TDs (yes, THIRTEEN), 2 drops.

 

Bowe's unbelievable tear in 2010 was better than any 7 game stretch of Thomas's career.  It's exactly the opposite of what Rodney painted it as. 

 

I guess he'll have to come over here to argue the point, though :)

 

 

The Marvin Harrison comparison is only flawed when you take it out of context. This isn’t about which of he and Demaryius is the better receiver - which is where you focused your rebuttal. The true relevance here is that since Harrison’s seasonal numbers under Manning are roughly comparable to DT’s season under Manning, then either they both needed Manning to be “better than average” (as you contend for Thomas), or else neither of them do. You noted that, “Harrison had a couple good seasons prior to Manning”, and so you’ve admitted that Harrison didn’t need Manning to be good, which is essentially to say the same about DT. You cannot logically conclude that out of two similarly productive receivers, under the same quarterback, that one of them is great without the QB, and that one of them is only average. 
 
Next I have to note that I didn’t at all consider myself engaged in debate when I jotted those ideas of rebuttal at MHR. I hadn‘t spent more than 5 minutes to look anything up, and in fact, it was merely a guess when I compared 7-game stretches. . Because let’s face it, Bowe isn’t half the receiver that Demaryius is, and so I figured it was a pretty safe guess. In hindsight, I should have worded it differently, however. So let me try again now that I’ve looked at your cherry picked stats: Dwayne Bowe has never had more yards in any 7 game stretch in his career than that 7 game stretch of Thomas’s - the one that started DT’s trend toward Super Stardom after getting over injury - the one when Tim Tebow was still throwing him the rock. 
 
And let’s clear up something else while we’re at it. You chose weeks 6-12 of the 2010 season to pick from, even though Bowe played in all other games that year (and yet, he never notched more than 68 yards in any of the other 9 games). So ironic, that in a debate about trends versus cherry picking, you very literally cherry picked. It was neither the start of a trend nor the end of one - just an outlier in the middle of a meaningless season three years ago, chosen for no other reason than because it was far and away his best stretch of games.
 
Bowe had 733 yards in the 7 games you cherry picked, and only 429 yards in the 9 games that surrounded those games. That’s like a comparison of your favorite apple to just any old orange. Look, DT was injured prior to the start of his still unbroken trend… what’s your boy’s excuse for being so inconsistent both before and after his outlier performance?
 
When you compare Bowe’s best 7 game stretch to DT‘s first 7 game stretch (with the Teebs at QB), and Bowe still fails in the yards comparison… It’s pretty uninspiring. I mean, we’re not talking about DT’s stretch in 2011 because it’s his best, because it’s not (that would be over 800 yards in 7 games). Rather, we’re talking about it because it blows out your idea that DT is “average without Manning”, seeing as how he did it with Tim Tebow. Your counterpoint to that was that it was a cherry picked stat. I think we’ve shown here that it was the start of a sturdy trend instead. 
 
On another note, elsewhere you said, “the only receiver in the league who can MAYBE claim to match Bowe’s power after the catch is Brandon Marshall”. Are we watching the same players? Dwayne Bowe was tied for 81st in the league last year with 247 YAC ( or 4.19 YAC per reception). Demaryius Thomas, on the other hand, placed 4th in the league with well over twice Bowe’s total - 538 yards (or 5.72 YAC per reception - a full 1.5 YAC per reception more than Bowe). So I guess I’m left wondering, did Peyton Manning help Thomas run with the ball after he caught it as well? And for the record, Bowe has never placed in the top-20 in terms of YAC, and has only led his own team three times.
 
In sum, shouldn't mistake an early injury for a trend, nor mistake a trend for an outlier - which is what I believe you‘ve been doing here. Demaryius Thomas will again have a year that Dwayne can only dream about, because while Bowe is certainly good, Demaryius Thomas is fast becoming one of the league‘s truly elite receivers. And he was becoming one even back when a third-string quarterback was throwing him the rock. 
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Seth Keysor
Aug 24 2013 03:15 PM
You cannot logically conclude that out of two similarly productive receivers, under the same quarterback, that one of them is great without the QB, and that one of them is only average.

 

 

That's true to an extent.  However, I'm not claiming that Harrison was great without Manning.  I don't think he was.  I think he was a good receiver who was made to look great by Manning.  Much like Thomas.  For the record, I believe that if Manning got injured tomorrow, Thomas would have a solid season.  He's a good receiver.  Just not as great as last year's numbers indicate.
 

I think we’ve shown here that it was the start of a sturdy trend instead.

 

It's impossible to say whether it was the start of a trend, because PFM came to town. 

 

I chose the games I chose of Bowe's because your assertion was false.  If you want to change it to "yards" then yes, Thomas has the edge.  But your original statement was incorrect. 

And while the rest of Bowe's season wasn't anything special that year, it wasn't anything as subpar as Thomas's rookie campaign and his start to 2011.  Now, you can roll with the "Thomas was hurt" excuse, but that's part of my point.  Thomas has missed more time due to injury in 3 years than Bowe has in twice that, and has been hindered by injury in additional games.  That HAS to factor in when deciding what receiver you want on your team.

As far as the YAC goes, that's where you've gotta go beyond stats and look to the film.  No one did more with less after the catch than Bowe.  It's a lot easier to get YAC when a perfect pass hits you in the hands in stride than when you've gotta contort like an... er... contortionist and come to a complete stop to grab the pass.  I'll concede that Thomas is excellent after the catch.  However, to act like QB has nothing to do with that stat is just wrong, and you know that.

The "trend vs. outlier" is a solid argument.  I'm just not sure 7 games (the averages of which are dragged up by one amazing game, without which those averages drop considerably) can be called a trend.

I remember when Braylon Edwards was the next big thing after a wonderful 2007 season (which followed a solid 2006 season).  Browns fans couldn't delight more in telling us how Edwards > Bowe.  Then, Edwards fell back to earth.  I think it might be a solid idea to wait a little longer to crown a guy "truly elite."  Especially when he's only managed to stay healthy one year.

On a final note... it's great to see you in these parts, Rodney!

 

I don't think that "Thomas was hurt" is an "excuse", I think it's football. It was bad luck, but it's nothing we haven't seen before. DT was injury plagued for a year (2010), and then it took him another half-season to get over those injuries and to catch fire. He hasn't looked back since, and he hasn't had so much as a bloody nose since before the start of the 2011 season started (24 months ago). This isn't a kid that should be thrown in with the likes of the injury-riddled such as Percy Harvin and DMC. Injuries combined with being a rookie meant he took a year and a half before he consistently started putting up elite numbers. That's not so bad.

 

And we shouldn't be surprised that he did catch fire, nor should we question its legitimacy. He was a first-round draft pick with a terrific pedigree. And he broke the ACC record as a Junior at Georgia Tech with an over 25 YPC average, so we shouldn't be surprised that he's so much better than Bowe in that area either. And then he became only the 9th player in NFL history to record 8 catches in his first game. This kid always had the hallmarks of a truly special player.. he just had some bad luck early on. But once he was healthy, not even Tim Tebow's awful passing could slow him down. 

 

As for the YAC yards, DT is clearly better. I'm not going to debate it unless you clearly disagree, which I doubt that you do. That's not to say Bowe is bad in that category or that the QB doesn't have something to do with it, just that DT is a beast in that category and is a good step ahead of Bowe.

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Seth Keysor
Aug 24 2013 07:06 PM

at the end of the day, Rodney, I'm going to need to see more than one great year with Fivehead throwing to him (and several good games with one great game the year prior) before I'm gonna call the kid elite, or someone I'd take over Bowe.  With Bowe, I know what I'm getting; a guy who will absolutely get it done regardless of circumstances.  With Thomas, there's still a question mark in my opinion. 

 

Again, that stretch with Tebow wasn't an elite stretch.  It was several really good games and one great game propping up several other "meh" games and one bad game (against us).  Efficiency matters to me, and Thomas was barely catching half the passes thrown his way and had a half dozen drops.  He was targeted a ton by a QB who was incapable of doing anything but heaving it deep (with an offense specially designed to leave Thomas in a favorable position at least once or twice a game deep). 

 

If he throws up another year like last year (even with PFM) I might be willing to concede the point, depending on what Bowe does.  But again, I've heard this stuff before when Edwards had a great year, then when Sidney Rice had a great year.  I gotta see it more. 

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